Preposition: in/on the square - "on the square" (2025)

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eva84

Member

czech

  • Dec 14, 2008
  • #1

Hello,
could anyone explain to me what the difference between in the sqaure and on the square is? I would say only in-because square has borders but I found out that both expressions exist. <<One topic per thread please>>
Thanks eva

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  • GreenWhiteBlue

    Banned

    The City of New York

    USA - English

    • Dec 14, 2008
    • #2

    In AE usage (which in this matter is different from BE usage), to be in a square is to be in the area the square itself covers, while to be on a square is to be along the edge. One would say that Nelson's Column is in Trafalgar Square, but the National Gallery is on the square. In Prague, the Wenceslaus Monument is in Wenceslaus Square, but the Hotel Europa is on the square.

    Kevin Beach

    Senior Member

    Ninfield (Near Battle), East Sussex, England

    British English

    • Dec 14, 2008
    • #3

    Apart from its ordinary usage, "on the square" is code for being a member of the Freemasons.

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    Cagey

    post mod (English Only / Latin)

    California

    English - US

    • Dec 14, 2008
    • #4

    Here is a previous thread on this very subject: IN/ON the square Preposition: in/on the square - "on the square" (3)

    I found it by typing "in on square" into the Dictionary Look-up box at the top of the page (set to English definition).

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    teksch

    Senior Member

    San Diego, California

    English - American

    • Dec 14, 2008
    • #5

    And, to further complicate this matter, “on the square” (in AE) could also mean to be honest and truthful. For example, “Joe asked Dan if this deal was on the square.” I assume this meaning comes from the fact that using a square (a device used to measure and check the correct angles of wood or metal prior to cutting or installation of the material) ascertains that the size and angle of the material is correct – is on the square.

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    eva84

    Member

    czech

    • Dec 14, 2008
    • #6

    GreenWhiteBlue said:

    In AE usage (which in this matter is different from BE usage), to be in a square is to be in the area the square itself covers, while to be on a square is to be along the edge. One would say that Nelson's Column is in Trafalgar Square, but the National Gallery is on the square. In Prague, the Wenceslaus Monument is in Wenceslaus Square, but the Hotel Europa is on the square.

    So in British English the expression on the square does not exist?

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    Porteño

    Member Emeritus

    Buenos Aires

    British English

    • Dec 14, 2008
    • #7

    teksch said:

    And, to further complicate this matter, “on the square” (in AE) could also mean to be honest and truthful. For example, “Joe asked Dan if this deal was on the square.”

    This has the same meaning in BE.

    Loob

    Senior Member

    English UK

    • Dec 14, 2008
    • #8

    Interesting, Porteño - I'm sure I'd use "on the level", not "on the square" for the 'honest/truthful' meaning.

    eva84 said:

    So in British English the expression on the square does not exist?

    We certainly do tend to use "in the square" rather than "on the square". But I've learnt here to avoid saying that things "don't exist" or "are never said"Preposition: in/on the square - "on the square" (5)

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    teksch

    Senior Member

    San Diego, California

    English - American

    • Dec 14, 2008
    • #9

    On the level (meaning that a device had been used to check if the foundation of a house, for example, was level) would have the same meaning as on the square.

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    eva84

    Member

    czech

    • Dec 14, 2008
    • #10

    Loob said:

    I think you need a new thread for in/on the island (maybe there's been one before: I haven't checked, I'm afraidPreposition: in/on the square - "on the square" (6))

    I searched the forum but I haven't found anything...

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    Forero

    Senior Member

    Maumelle, Arkansas, USA

    USA English

    • Dec 15, 2008
    • #11

    We usually use in and on as already explained: in the boundaries, on the surface. How we imagine a "field" depends on our local culture and what type of "field" we mean:

    In the field of mathematics.
    On the football field.
    In Flanders fields.
    What kind of square is the original question about? The Trafalgar Square type, the kind of square the boll weevil was "settin'" on, or something else?

    rookdeepdown

    Senior Member

    Polish

    • Sep 1, 2021
    • #12

    Hi all. Coming back to this questions of all times.

    Here is the sentence (said by a British person): "Yeah location is good but every time there's an event on the square it's a nightmare".

    Again, usually events happen in the square, within the square, but can it really happen ON the square?

    kentix

    Senior Member

    English - U.S.

    • Sep 1, 2021
    • #13

    Yes. All events taking place in the square happen on the flat surface of the square.

    Preposition: in/on the square - "on the square" (9)

    Just like there are pieces on a chessboard, which is s square.

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